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did I violate any agreement with ATI?

Someone commented on my previous post that ATI had stopped talking to me as I had violated my NDA,

THIS IS HORSE SHIT AND ANYONE SPEADING IT SHOULD TALK TO ME FIRST

ATI give OEMs a register dump tool for Windows no matter what cards you sign up for info on you get the same tool which contains info for all cards.. I did run this tool on r500 cards and wrote some code to set modes. I knew releasing that code would violate the NDA so i contacted Matthew Tippett in ATI who manages their Linux driver team with a full explanation of what I had done to see if we could work out a solution and nothing ever came of it after some initial conversations.

I initially thought about offering a binary driver for testing but that also may have violated the NDA. but ATI were not sure of this when I asked so i removed it.

Also as far as I'm aware the NDA is still in place i.e. the OEM still has access (granted for other reasons they dont use ATI but Intel now) which if I had violated it I would assume they would have terminated it by now.

UPDATE: Just on my NDA, I entered into it via a customer who I did paid work for on the open source drivers, so I don't really need legal help on it, I knew what I was getting into when I agreed to work for the company.. I'm not holding any majorly hard feelings against ATI other than frustration at their short-sightedness, I'm not releasing the code because I fear ATI will sue me, I'm more afraid they'll sue the company I've worked for on this stuff (as that's how lawyers work..) who really don't deserve to be dragged into it.

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I have heard the similar thing. It was from a guy who knows a guy at ATI with which he had discussed the problem. Not sure how reliable, but b.s. is know to spread very fast.

This is giving ATI the jerk role again.

(Anonymous)
My reactions...

Not everybody instantly cheers in on how fantastic it is that ATI is "finally going to open up" (whatever that means). Personally I was strongly hoping they would come around and follow Intels footsteps (the more the merrier, right?). There was only one thing missing, the "proof". Waiting for your reactions on this has almost killed me out of curiosity. If ATI was actually serious about this, I'd expect something similar to an announcement that they've hired you Mr. Arlie. Everything else would just look like a half-baked non-serious attempt in my eyes. With your postings about how nothing has approved at your end w.r.t. the ATI-situation and all the NDA bullshit, I can finally stop being curious about if something nice is going to happen or not. If they haven't even contacted you about their new strategy about "fixing their open source problems", that's proof to me that this is just talk (and nothing will ever some out of it).
/me goes back to the plain old boring everyday life.... (Waiting for the next big announcement, that will probably also be nothing but cheap talk.)

Anyway, Thanks for all your work!

//fatal

(Anonymous)
Re: My reactions...

I was strongly hoping they would come around and follow Intels footsteps (the more the merrier, right?).
Are you serious?... After _years_ of that NDA SNAFU you'd expect them to behave "good" just after some hot air left a marketing mouth at a fair? Common...
If ATI was actually serious about this, I'd expect something similar to an announcement that they've hired you Mr. Arlie.
I'd say we need some legal support (freedesktop, osdl, fsf?) for community _top_ devs, which Mr.Airlie undoubtedly belongs to, in such an unpleasant matter as communicating with corporate behemoths. ODSL, if memory serves me right, started some "program" to support FOSS devs "against" abusive vendor NDAs. /THIS/ should definitely the case for it...

But NDA sign-up program is not enough. There must be "behemoth to individual" code of ethics written in stone (think GPL :) ) like... ehrm... thou be free specs, shalt not offend, let no marketing idiots voice in. But corporations have no conscience... and ethics, I guess.

I believe AMD owe the _community_ apologies for FUD, lie and offense concerning Mr.Airlie spread by its "dudes"...

And, Dave, big THANKS for your work!

(Anonymous)
Re: My reactions...

I wrote "hoping", not "expecting".... One can always hope for someone to turn around and behave better. It's never too late for that.


//fatal